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and good morning from Philadelphia and

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morning from West us in New York this is

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a UFO News Network Sunday I'm Frank

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James up in the Westchester today with

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us we've got ap alien protocols

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discussing some of his work doing some

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direct contact work with our

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extraterrestrial friends and welcome

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aboard thank you guys thanks so much for

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having us when I say us I mean my

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multiple personalities okay sorry James

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take it away so I'm sure many people

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especially if you're on the contact' end

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of your college if you want to call it

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that have have seen buddy come up or you

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know people who've been following you

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especially grant cameras research ap

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made an appearance on Grant cameras

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channel um that was with some pretty

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pretty remarkable claims and and ideas

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about contact and and yeah I want to say

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everything you oppose especially when

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you get into the high strangeness stuff

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so alien protocols is a I want to say

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it's almost similar to to see SETI and

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Rama but not so much AP and you're in

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your own words what what makes alien

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protocols new and refreshing and

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different from some of the other

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projects that have came before well

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we're uh I've started as a group of

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experiencers who got together to

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experiment on different techniques and

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with the initial C 5 stuff and other

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techniques and suspicions we've had and

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have grown over the years and so there's

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two levels to it one is there is a group

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that has kind of gotten together and

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shares insights and knowledge and then

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we created this project and it's the

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advanced protocols data project and the

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idea is to get you know we've

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accumulated videos and pictures of neat

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stuff we've been a part of but we know

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how that is you know pictures and

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are interpreted as pictures and videos

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but if we're able to use the power of

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meditation and you fo see five groups

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from around the world to concentrate on

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several different UFO hot spots and

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simultaneously bring them scientific

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equipment and multiple different types

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of cameras to the same event if you're

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able to capture an event with multiple

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different types of cameras and

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scientific equipment it brings the level

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of the evidence to the next level and we

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want to be a part of doing that coming

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to the table with next-level evidence -

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you know verify the validity that we are

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being visited a lot more than anyone is

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telling us okay I'm gonna start off with

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the with the obvious of well what got

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you started into this work well I'm an

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experienced or had experiences

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throughout my life at different I guess

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when I look back at it kind of pivotal

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moments in my life my first experience

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was around five or six which was very

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impactful and kind of I think just

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introduced me to it and I don't really

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remember all of it I only remember a

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portion of it the first like half of it

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I guess it's hard to say what the second

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half would be but I had an experience

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and I'm just not really completely

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comfortable sharing that completely with

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everybody you know yet I have a couple

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points but it's just I just had an

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experience and then when I was like 12

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or 13 I had another experience with

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seeing a craft and the next day I had a

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really kind of an epiphany event

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happened to me and so that was my first

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early attempts and then around twelve

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just so hooked and to the subject I was

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reaching out to a big UFO investigator

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at the time named Bill Moore trying to

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understand what I was going through and

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what I was experiencing and what I had

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seen and to try and put the pieces

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together for me and so I'd spoken with

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him for a few months and then just over

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time I just continued to investigate

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this you know 20 years ago I went with a

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group of friends and we investigated

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Mel's hole which was a transdimensional

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phenomena in Washington State

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with UFOs and all these different

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associated phenomena related to it and

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we met with red elk an Indian medicine

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man who took us through many different

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types of meditations and taught us a lot

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of things and we've been on the search

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and he told us more about it so I've

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always been involved in it and you know

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I just haven't chosen to make myself a

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public figure because I'm a real person

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in you know this world who works and has

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a family and I have a farm with eight

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acres and you know I I don't want to

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jeopardize my family or have people

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at night like has been the case for

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other locations that have had repeated

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of events from Whitney Strieber - you

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know skinwalker ranch to see Ceti you

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know there's people who jump the fence

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and run around and we're just getting

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started we're just starting to have neat

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experiences so in a way it may be stupid

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for me to even be talking it at all

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because I may be you know it's stunting

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the growth of our group and our group is

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expressed you know some of those

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concerns but the whole purpose of our

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project we'd like to think of what we're

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doing is another recreation of a

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grassroots people's disclosure so

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everything is for the people everything

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should be transparent all of our events

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are going to be live-streamed

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all of our events starting in about

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three weeks we're gonna be starting some

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experiments just testing some of our

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methods and procedures because it's

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gonna take a real synchronous kind of

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machine to make sure we get all the

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right camera footage and the scientific

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tests run in the right sequence and and

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everything so a lot of different factors

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have to come together but you know weird

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we've you know everyone in the group is

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like me though there were all

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experiences knowing well there's a

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couple people who are more come from a

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metaphysical side and didn't have really

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experiences with UFOs or any strange

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phenomena but have started having it

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here so everyone is kind of like me I

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think in a way in our group and then we

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of course we did some radio shows and

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our channel has kind of taken off our

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YouTube channel has just gotten more

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cool subscribers and more people joining

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part of the movement in some way or

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wanting to learn cg5 or wanting to learn

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are what we call advanced protocols

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designed for closer contact so we're

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trying not only to you know have a

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scientific data and multiple different

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types of cameras and multiple witnesses

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at one event but we're also trying to

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help people along the way because like

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life it's not about the destination it's

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about the journey - so we're trying to

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do good live along the way we help

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the notion was designed to get these

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further experiences closer and we put a

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what are conditions that we could pre

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establish that would increase the

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likelihood of closer contact and like

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anything you have to set up the

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preconditions in order to increase the

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likelihood of anything and we've created

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protocols and things that we do that are

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kind of you know it's a little you know

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arrogance to call it advanced protocols

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but we think it's it's maybe better more

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apt as closer protocol this is a better

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term for it you know so you know I could

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explain what some of these are that make

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it different than some of the others if

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absolutely well a lot of other groups do

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visualizations and some groups use memo

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pads we like to incorporate all the

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different senses into it into the

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requesting visitation portion and so we

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use everyone in the group uses memo pads

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subconscious and so we believe a lot of

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that writing stuff can flow both

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directions requests can flow through the

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strange weird things you know that some

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messages and weird other things and

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thoughts and you know we just have to

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use discrimination and so that's one

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vegetarian for at least a full week and

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animal by-product but it can't cost the

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life or anything but so there's

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of purify the body of negativity and

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poisons and you know carnivore ISM at

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which to many carnivores like me sounds

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a little strange at first but when you

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really think about in evolved

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civilization just being more kind of

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purer and cleansed is just to put you in

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a more approachable position we believe

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so aside from things like that and

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specific meditations and harmonic kind

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of meditations that we specifically

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teach the group and go through with the

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group we additionally set up something

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called something really key to the

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closer contact is about your location

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key one is the general location meaning

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the larger several mile area that you're

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in and then the smaller locations set up

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military base some of these things are

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more conducive like a military base

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conducive to this closer contact that

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we're trying to evoke and to the more

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remote you can be the better our farm is

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up in the Hudson Valley in New York and

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we're in a valley inside of a valley

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kind of inside of another valley so

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we've got over eight acres here there's

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a very remote area and so that in and of

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itself is very conducive if you look at

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UFO history the encounters that are

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close

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oftentimes contain something called an

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encroachment or we just refer to it as

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encroachment an encroachment is a

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terrain change about a hundred feet away

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from the person who wants to see crafts

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so from the meditator so and this

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distance is the first 100 feet is

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designed just to set up kind of like a

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safe zone but also the encroachment of

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the terrain change can be something like

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a tree line you can be a meadow and

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there's a tree line and or it could be

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on a beach and it's the water line it

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can be a mountain you can be at the

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bottom of a mountain range or in one

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mountain range looking at another

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mountain range there has to be a terrain

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change and a separation a distance so

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that you can safely have a closer kind

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of contact where everybody feels safe

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and you know secure they we believe they

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of course can read our consciousness and

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so the consciousness of the group is

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crucial and not being scared and not

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being afraid of close contact so there's

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a lot of things we train our group to do

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to try and overcome their personal fears

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we ask our group - you know meditate in

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their basements and meditating their

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attics and meditate in places that are

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kind of scary just to overcome those

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fears and those and I'm just dealing

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with these issues myself you know I

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think people would like to think it's a

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magical crystal New Age experience to

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see a close-up craft or phenomena but

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it's not it's it can be scary

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your natural human instincts can flare

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up too

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white how Brown did you may think you

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are in love and transcendental you know

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meditation harmonics and you know

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tranquility and all that you can be

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scared shitless you know no that's just

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reality you know so that's some of the

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things that separate us in terms of you

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know regular C you fought I've the

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encroachment the types of meditations we

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do the diet and the types of specific

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kind of harmonics stuff we we do with

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our meditation and breathing and stuff

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I've gotta go all those things come

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together I've got a quick question on

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this end there you say you live in a

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pretty remote area it's not necessarily

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easy to find people who are all and do

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this even in more populated areas how

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did you how did you all meet up how did

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you all find each other living in a

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fairly rural area well first of all

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start with just friends and associates

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and then kind of grew with their friends

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and connections and other ce-5 groups if

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you look there's several different cg5

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websites you can go on to to find groups

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near you from cost ET let's talk to a

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certain doctor who has a very long

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established history in this field dr.

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Greer even though I'm a fan of his I'm

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not a huge fan of his some of his recent

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stuff but just because of you know I

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really respect the work he's done for

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the community for so long it's such a

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high integrity level and getting these

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ultra high level witnesses and these his

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documentaries are phenomenal and as

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someone who knows about I know he's made

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a lot more money than he needed for the

362
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documentaries obviously but also I don't

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like some of the money-grubbing stuff

364
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lately you know five thousand dollars a

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person for his c5 events and the fear

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mongering talking about the government

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having a fleet of UFOs and fake bio

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robotic aliens that they're gonna have

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some engaged fake UFO invasion all that

370
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stuff to me is just you know

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fear-mongering so in that way I've lost

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a lot of respect for dr. Greer but you

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know I think it's easy for certain

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governments or agencies to

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someone like that who's had an

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extraordinary contacts and feed them

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information to knock them off of their

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horse and to knock them off of that

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general integrity that people have

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garnered you know yeah I wouldn't be

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surprised if he was specifically

382
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targeted even over a course of years

383
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with you know him and believing you know

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built up to some of that that's that's a

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really kind of tackle you know know when

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you're dealing with the propulsion and

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power systems and stuff that it's

388
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obviously would be considered you know

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part of national security of certain

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nations to explore this stuff and to be

391
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the the best with the latest technology

392
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G so and dr. Greer has explored that

393
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stuff so it's completely logical and

394
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understandable not paranoid at all to

395
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assume that people who try to not only

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you know penetrate his circle but also

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undermine him so it you know I I look at

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it all in a big picture you know I try

399
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to yeah well a part of that bigger

400
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picture is a scientific research and I

401
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understand that you reached out to or

402
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maybe it was the other way around that

403
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Chris Cogswell you've had some a

404
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conversation with him about him helping

405
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you on the scientific end of things he

406
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was until recently the director of

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research for MUFON and now I think he's

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in the process of hanging out his own

409
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shingle tell us a little bit about that

410
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some of the back-and-forth you've had

411
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and what kind of help is he giving you

412
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up to this point if any well Chris is a

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phenomenal guy he's really just a

414
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powerful intellect and he I initially

415
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spoke with him when he was at MUFON I

416
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spoke with Jan and Jan referred me to

417
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him and about our project for you know

418
00:18:32,289 --> 00:18:30,890
acquiring this data and wanted to find

419
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out about their data project in their

420
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equipment list and see how it matched

421
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verses olives

422
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and so I spoke with him when he was

423
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there and he had some really innovative

424
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and awesome plans to overhaul the

425
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integrity and increase the output of

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quality material from MUFON something

427
00:18:51,820 --> 00:18:49,159
that MUFON is really needed especially

428
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after the past you know ten years and a

429
00:18:55,090 --> 00:18:53,179
lot of the things that move on is done

430
00:18:57,549 --> 00:18:55,100
from selling all the you know

431
00:19:00,850 --> 00:18:57,559
experiencers information and UFO reports

432
00:19:02,690 --> 00:19:00,860
to Bigelow and other groups to having

433
00:19:07,340 --> 00:19:02,700
some very suspect

434
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symposiums with very suspect speakers

435
00:19:12,260 --> 00:19:10,770
and only it takes people with integrity

436
00:19:13,789 --> 00:19:12,270
like Richard Dolan to stand up at some

437
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:13,799
of these events and say hey who the heck

438
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:15,600
are these people who are out here

439
00:19:21,020 --> 00:19:18,210
spouting you know BS and you know

440
00:19:23,450 --> 00:19:21,030
profiteering with nothing no witnesses

441
00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:23,460
no facts no nothing to back them up

442
00:19:28,850 --> 00:19:25,890
except for a story even though it may be

443
00:19:30,620 --> 00:19:28,860
popular anyway so Chris really had tried

444
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to overhaul some of these things and had

445
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:32,970
really looked at the data and metrics

446
00:19:37,310 --> 00:19:34,890
that MUFON had and had innovative plans

447
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:37,320
to overhaul them and of course he in a

448
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:38,610
short period of time found out that

449
00:19:45,049 --> 00:19:42,210
MUFON is integrity was too damaged and

450
00:19:48,860 --> 00:19:45,059
was still being damaged by you know

451
00:19:51,049 --> 00:19:48,870
actions there so he left which only

452
00:19:55,039 --> 00:19:51,059
gives him more credibility you know

453
00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:55,049
Chris's integrity increased tenfold just

454
00:20:00,740 --> 00:19:56,460
by leaving MUFON because of their lack

455
00:20:03,169 --> 00:20:00,750
of integrity so Chris has been um she's

456
00:20:04,820 --> 00:20:03,179
just a smart guy and he's got standards

457
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:04,830
you know you apology is not a lucrative

458
00:20:09,890 --> 00:20:07,410
field for anybody and his position there

459
00:20:12,770 --> 00:20:09,900
is a volunteer position and you have to

460
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:12,780
respect a guy who wants to put his time

461
00:20:16,490 --> 00:20:14,250
and intellect and brain power behind

462
00:20:18,289 --> 00:20:16,500
solving these biggest important

463
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:18,299
mysteries so anyway we've gone over some

464
00:20:22,820 --> 00:20:20,610
equipment list stuff he's kind of our

465
00:20:24,919 --> 00:20:22,830
main adviser even though we have some

466
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really incredible names advising us in

467
00:20:32,060 --> 00:20:28,460
this group he's kind of you know our art

468
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our favorite you know top guy helping

469
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with insights and experiments and just

470
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you know we've just started the process

471
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with him so there's many many more miles

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to go before we're done

473
00:20:48,140 --> 00:20:46,140
speaking of scientific research you sent

474
00:20:51,289 --> 00:20:48,150
me a couple pictures last night yeah one

475
00:20:55,549 --> 00:20:51,299
of them looks like a I've got it up now

476
00:20:59,180 --> 00:20:55,559
on the on the slide show basically looks

477
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somewhat spherical this is related to

478
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the the Joe for my efforts out west is

479
00:21:07,610 --> 00:21:05,160
that about right correct

480
00:21:10,460 --> 00:21:07,620
Joe firmage for a while has been working

481
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on some anti-gravity and propulsion

482
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systems that he hoped would be

483
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revolutionary through a company he

484
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started called inter NASA

485
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and it's kind of similar to to the stars

486
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it's a entertainment and science company

487
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and they had this invention which was a

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series of models of a gyro within a gyro

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kind of a thing it's an electronic gyro

490
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and the gyro spins at incredibly high

491
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speeds and rattles back and forth and

492
00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:39,960
apparently loses some specific gravity

493
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:43,140
loses some weight and detective Lee

494
00:21:48,860 --> 00:21:46,740
verifiably supposedly but it's not the

495
00:21:51,020 --> 00:21:48,870
intergalactic propulsion system that

496
00:21:53,570 --> 00:21:51,030
they had initially hoped now it's more

497
00:21:55,730 --> 00:21:53,580
or like some of this data seems to be

498
00:21:57,169 --> 00:21:55,740
revealing a quirk in space home but they

499
00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:57,179
started with one model which might be

500
00:22:01,100 --> 00:21:59,010
the one you add up the one you have up

501
00:22:03,020 --> 00:22:01,110
has like rubber wheels supporting the

502
00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:03,030
inner wheels then that's the earliest

503
00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:05,340
model they had they've had several other

504
00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:09,510
models since and they look obviously

505
00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:11,370
more sophisticated but the same premise

506
00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:16,710
you know gyro electronic gyro and they

507
00:22:22,730 --> 00:22:19,020
want to commercialize one that's

508
00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:22,740
basically for gyros on a cross beam that

509
00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:25,110
gets put it inside of a box and that box

510
00:22:28,570 --> 00:22:26,940
would lower the specific grab that's

511
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,580
kind of like their fallback position now

512
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:30,960
that box would lower the specific

513
00:22:33,410 --> 00:22:32,490
gravity of vehicles and planes and

514
00:22:34,730 --> 00:22:33,420
everything you could put it in

515
00:22:36,860 --> 00:22:34,740
everything it would save energy and

516
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:36,870
money and blah blah blah but you know to

517
00:22:40,669 --> 00:22:39,450
be frank despite the tremendous amount

518
00:22:43,780 --> 00:22:40,679
of money that's been poured into that

519
00:22:48,290 --> 00:22:43,790
project and the multiple different

520
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:48,300
evolutions of the prototype it's still a

521
00:22:56,060 --> 00:22:53,520
very low output gravity Nullification

522
00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:56,070
device and how do you have access to

523
00:23:00,169 --> 00:22:58,290
this information that was news to me

524
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:00,179
you have some contact with his group

525
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:03,450
work yeah I've got multiple different

526
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:07,970
ways so it's not just one means one

527
00:23:14,570 --> 00:23:10,050
information stream I've got multiple

528
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:14,580
streams on it so this and does the fact

529
00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:16,530
that it exists is well-known it's not a

530
00:23:22,340 --> 00:23:20,070
secret it's stuff that can be found in

531
00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:22,350
the public record on it so you know if

532
00:23:26,540 --> 00:23:23,700
you do a little bit of google research

533
00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:26,550
on it you can you you take the names I

534
00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:28,860
just gave you already and you can find

535
00:23:32,060 --> 00:23:29,910
out all the information

536
00:23:35,180 --> 00:23:32,070
almost you will find pictures as well

537
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:35,190
and other information but also on like

538
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:39,570
the open minds forum online the Dan

539
00:23:43,910 --> 00:23:41,580
Smith blog it's been a topic of

540
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:43,920
discussion for many months and I'm

541
00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:45,930
friends with Dan and kind of been

542
00:23:49,570 --> 00:23:47,700
involved with the blog and when the

543
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:49,580
discussion about the device came up I

544
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:53,370
provided some visual aids when there

545
00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:56,850
weren't any early on and so you know I

546
00:24:01,550 --> 00:23:58,770
kind of got in into this investigation

547
00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:01,560
didn't through that through open minds

548
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:04,710
and then kind of pursued my sources and

549
00:24:09,260 --> 00:24:07,200
means and methods and multiple sources

550
00:24:11,650 --> 00:24:09,270
and means and methods so that

551
00:24:13,910 --> 00:24:11,660
information is pretty good even though

552
00:24:15,530 --> 00:24:13,920
you know they haven't had any public

553
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:15,540
release of information and they consider

554
00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:18,570
it a very secret project understood

555
00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:19,500
understood

556
00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:22,590
now you also sent me a photograph with

557
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:24,840
many materials hang on a second let me

558
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:25,850
pull it up myself

559
00:24:51,170 --> 00:24:46,770
look at it which one is this Oh probably

560
00:24:53,870 --> 00:24:51,180
a graph about men cheers yeah basically

561
00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:53,880
you've got here let's see it looks like

562
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:56,220
a number of different layers at the top

563
00:25:02,570 --> 00:24:59,600
anti gravity underneath and invisibility

564
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:02,580
power computation shape change

565
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:03,810
protection

566
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:05,970
yeah can you go into a little bit more

567
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:08,010
about that and how did you access this

568
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:09,170
information

569
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:14,730
through the same kind of methods as I

570
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:17,850
previously kind of didn't specify I have

571
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:20,220
but a little different corroborating

572
00:25:24,370 --> 00:25:21,600
sources that have I mentioned one of

573
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:24,380
them it's not it's it's not a good idea

574
00:25:32,110 --> 00:25:28,770
but basic logic would tell you that an

575
00:25:35,270 --> 00:25:32,120
incredibly advanced civilization would

576
00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:35,280
create the type of material just around

577
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:38,520
a craft that would be the most dynamic

578
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:41,370
at the least energy expenditure and you

579
00:25:46,220 --> 00:25:43,890
could determine the how it advanced

580
00:25:49,790 --> 00:25:46,230
civilization is by how dynamic of

581
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:49,800
materials it can create at what cost

582
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:53,570
usage when you when you say yeah dynamic

583
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:55,740
what-what do you mean in this context I

584
00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:58,020
mean multiple different abilities okay

585
00:26:02,660 --> 00:26:01,260
if you have a lower advanced

586
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:02,670
civilization they can put several

587
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:04,910
different abilities into a material and

588
00:26:12,290 --> 00:26:08,820
power it's at a very low ratio I'm at a

589
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:12,300
very low energy output but if you're

590
00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:14,070
really really advanced civilization you

591
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:15,720
can put multiple different things into

592
00:26:21,170 --> 00:26:18,720
one material and at a very low output

593
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:21,180
even can put the energy in the actual

594
00:26:25,820 --> 00:26:23,220
material itself I don't know if you've

595
00:26:27,380 --> 00:26:25,830
heard much about the information that's

596
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:27,390
been released about the metamaterial

597
00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:30,410
that to the Stars and other groups have

598
00:26:38,990 --> 00:26:35,750
but there are these micro structures and

599
00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:39,000
multiple different uses that this

600
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:41,070
material multiple different functions of

601
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:42,510
this material so it can do many

602
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,890
different things at once and they're not

603
00:26:46,790 --> 00:26:45,600
real layers that are described in that

604
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:46,800
picture that's just more for how the

605
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,330
nature of the brain works you know to

606
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:50,640
visualize that because of course these

607
00:26:54,850 --> 00:26:52,200
different layers have to interact and

608
00:26:57,770 --> 00:26:54,860
the material interacts and different

609
00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:57,780
there's there's interactions additions

610
00:27:01,370 --> 00:26:59,490
and subtractions of abilities by the

611
00:27:03,050 --> 00:27:01,380
interactions of materials and effects

612
00:27:05,630 --> 00:27:03,060
and many different things come together

613
00:27:07,340 --> 00:27:05,640
there but basically the more advanced

614
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:07,350
you are the more different weird

615
00:27:11,060 --> 00:27:08,700
you can put into it and you can imagine

616
00:27:13,220 --> 00:27:11,070
the weird that would be needed to

617
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:13,230
travel through space to probably have

618
00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:16,890
one anti-gravity you'd want camouflage

619
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:18,360
you want

620
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:22,290
perhaps propulsion power you'd want the

621
00:27:26,060 --> 00:27:24,210
ability to shape-shift your craft for

622
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:26,070
different atmospheres and atmospheric

623
00:27:30,380 --> 00:27:27,690
conditions from you know underwater

624
00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:30,390
travel to high atmosphere to low

625
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:32,760
atmosphere you'd also want protection

626
00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:35,700
for any occupants on the interior and

627
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:38,190
you would want to instead of having any

628
00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:40,650
craft has to have computational

629
00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:41,910
abilities it has to have some

630
00:27:45,860 --> 00:27:43,590
intelligence on some level all of our

631
00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:45,870
crafts do all the way down to cars you

632
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:47,820
know we're just humans so imagine how

633
00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:50,310
much more so these ultra advanced craft

634
00:27:54,380 --> 00:27:52,830
would have to be so the more area they

635
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:54,390
can more surface area they can spread

636
00:27:57,420 --> 00:27:56,010
their computation abilities across the

637
00:28:00,150 --> 00:27:57,430
greater their means and

638
00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:00,160
and these crafts as far as I understand

639
00:28:07,290 --> 00:28:03,550
are so advanced that their artificial

640
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,300
intelligence is essentially alive

641
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:10,000
it's essentially a cognizant kind of you

642
00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:13,570
know if you can't tell the difference

643
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:15,190
between something being conscious and

644
00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:17,830
not conscious and you might as well just

645
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:19,000
consider a conscious and that's what

646
00:28:22,590 --> 00:28:20,650
these crafts are they're so advanced and

647
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:22,600
their computational abilities and

648
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:25,050
pre-programming is so advanced that

649
00:28:30,510 --> 00:28:28,450
they're essentially artificial

650
00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:30,520
intelligences in and of themselves which

651
00:28:35,490 --> 00:28:32,470
is very logical it's not a huge leap of

652
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:35,500
imagination to think our jets now are be

653
00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:37,210
halfway there

654
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:40,980
so it's not a big leap of imagination to

655
00:28:45,450 --> 00:28:43,450
see all these features coming together

656
00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:45,460
in a material just to create the

657
00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:49,750
structure of the craft and so the craft

658
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:52,870
also has as part of it and this material

659
00:28:56,250 --> 00:28:54,370
is in your hear more about this house

660
00:28:58,140 --> 00:28:56,260
off is gonna talk about this probably in

661
00:29:01,440 --> 00:28:58,150
a few weeks he was speaking last night

662
00:29:02,910 --> 00:29:01,450
at the remote viewers conference about

663
00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:02,920
some of this material and some of the

664
00:29:07,140 --> 00:29:05,350
tic-tacs stuff but he and some of the

665
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:07,150
other scientists have been consulted

666
00:29:13,230 --> 00:29:09,010
like Eric Davis and and others who

667
00:29:16,049 --> 00:29:13,240
tested its material and found that it's

668
00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:16,059
it has these micro lattices of palladium

669
00:29:24,390 --> 00:29:21,160
and other elements created in such a

670
00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:24,400
specific way that when a certain

671
00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:27,160
resonance is hit they it gets an

672
00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:32,440
anti-gravitational property so that's

673
00:29:38,220 --> 00:29:34,590
pretty freakin amazing

674
00:29:40,350 --> 00:29:38,230
but the material is made in such a way

675
00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:40,360
that it can't technically be made on

676
00:29:44,130 --> 00:29:41,950
earth that has to be kind of extruded

677
00:29:46,860 --> 00:29:44,140
atom by atom by some very sophisticated

678
00:29:49,410 --> 00:29:46,870
device in space and through gravity the

679
00:29:54,530 --> 00:29:49,420
isotopic ratios have been manipulated

680
00:29:56,910 --> 00:29:54,540
that's discussed yeah dramatically and

681
00:29:59,730 --> 00:29:56,920
there's ratios that aren't found on

682
00:30:02,880 --> 00:29:59,740
earth so and have never been created by

683
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:02,890
humans so but require such a precision

684
00:30:10,580 --> 00:30:06,240
that you know it's certainly not chance

685
00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:10,590
I'm beyond any statistical probability

686
00:30:15,030 --> 00:30:13,960
but this material just think about it

687
00:30:16,350 --> 00:30:15,040
wouldn't you want to put as much

688
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:16,360
abilities for a little energy

689
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:19,170
expenditure as possible into your craft

690
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:21,850
we try and do that with cars and we're

691
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,170
just you know humans driving around on

692
00:30:28,620 --> 00:30:24,880
the surface of a planet not trying to

693
00:30:30,570 --> 00:30:28,630
travel great distances that's the whole

694
00:30:32,820 --> 00:30:30,580
point really you want to be as efficient

695
00:30:34,410 --> 00:30:32,830
as possible yeah and at the lowest

696
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:34,420
energy expenditure and you're gonna have

697
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:36,250
necessities you know if you're gonna be

698
00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:38,250
visiting another civilization that's

699
00:30:43,140 --> 00:30:40,900
starting to break off the planet and

700
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:43,150
have technology that you're gonna want

701
00:30:47,130 --> 00:30:45,370
to use a meta material that bends light

702
00:30:49,710 --> 00:30:47,140
around it or have a capability to be

703
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,720
invisible you know I think there's a big

704
00:30:53,010 --> 00:30:51,520
misconception that a lot of crafts are

705
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:53,020
transdimensional when many of those

706
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:54,970
crafts are either natural light

707
00:31:00,570 --> 00:30:58,290
phenomena or real UFOs that aren't

708
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:00,580
utilizing transdimensional technology

709
00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:02,290
they're just utilizing camouflage

710
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,320
ability or other things that appear

711
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:06,880
transdimensional like incredibly fast

712
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:11,050
speeds what I think is interesting is

713
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:13,530
the the Office of Naval Research is

714
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:16,650
still to this day trying to study

715
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:21,730
various octopus and squid and critters

716
00:31:27,150 --> 00:31:23,410
like that that can that camouflage

717
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:27,160
themselves amazingly well yeah they're

718
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:28,690
still looking at that very very

719
00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:31,930
carefully to try to develop these kinds

720
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:33,820
of functions as well one thing that I've

721
00:31:38,010 --> 00:31:36,130
always found kind of interesting is it's

722
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:38,020
very easy yet for any of us to just go

723
00:31:45,180 --> 00:31:41,050
out and buy a little gadget that will

724
00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:45,190
basically levitate a small top that kind

725
00:31:51,390 --> 00:31:48,460
of thing yeah there's also a nitinol

726
00:31:54,030 --> 00:31:51,400
which is a shape memory alloy that's

727
00:31:56,010 --> 00:31:54,040
pretty well known but the thing about

728
00:31:58,620 --> 00:31:56,020
that both of those type things is you

729
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,630
need an external catalyst to get the

730
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:01,120
desired effect whereas it would seem

731
00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:03,970
that that the catalysts to get these

732
00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:06,670
effects need to come internally and you

733
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:09,070
need to be able to carry it around with

734
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:11,890
you inside some kind of a vehicle in

735
00:32:17,790 --> 00:32:14,080
order to make it work it you can't very

736
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:17,800
well you know carry something around

737
00:32:21,540 --> 00:32:19,810
externally to get the desired effect

738
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:21,550
that it wouldn't work it doesn't make

739
00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:23,650
any sense so they've got to do something

740
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:25,300
internally to get these kind of effects

741
00:32:30,330 --> 00:32:28,930
and if you look carefully at some of the

742
00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:30,340
more recent stuff that has come out

743
00:32:32,850 --> 00:32:31,990
about the metamaterial and stuff that's

744
00:32:35,490 --> 00:32:32,860
going to come out more in the future

745
00:32:38,550 --> 00:32:35,500
there is a radioactive element built

746
00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:38,560
into the material that has a very low

747
00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:43,510
power output that is basically a power

748
00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:46,900
source for the craft and for the skin

749
00:32:52,770 --> 00:32:50,200
and for some of these abilities and you

750
00:32:54,420 --> 00:32:52,780
have to think if the propulsion system

751
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:54,430
is nothing that you can see visually

752
00:32:59,970 --> 00:32:57,490
like a classic Newtonian you know kind

753
00:33:01,560 --> 00:32:59,980
of rocket then they have to be doing

754
00:33:03,810 --> 00:33:01,570
this you know they're obviously doing

755
00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:03,820
anti-gravity X gravity nullification is

756
00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:06,550
one aspect but then how do you propel it

757
00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:08,920
that's a different aspect as well too so

758
00:33:12,810 --> 00:33:11,230
there's many layers to this you know

759
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:12,820
puzzle and mystery and there's a lot of

760
00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:14,890
different you know people who have

761
00:33:19,230 --> 00:33:16,390
allowed different insights into

762
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:19,240
propulsion systems as well but it's it's

763
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:21,250
all just endlessly fascinating it's so

764
00:33:25,140 --> 00:33:23,170
freakin cool and so freakin cool to

765
00:33:27,420 --> 00:33:25,150
explore and as an experiencer and

766
00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:27,430
someone who's so passionate about the

767
00:33:32,850 --> 00:33:30,790
subject to be in a position to be in a

768
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:32,860
front row seat and to be talking to some

769
00:33:36,660 --> 00:33:34,650
of these incredible scientists and

770
00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:36,670
incredible people and incredible

771
00:33:40,590 --> 00:33:38,470
experiences and just to be a part of

772
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:40,600
this whole community is just just it's

773
00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:41,110
awesome

774
00:33:47,940 --> 00:33:45,280
greatest mystery of humanity's history

775
00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:47,950
really when you really really think

776
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:49,780
about it it's the biggest mystery there

777
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:52,570
is but also it ties a bunch of other

778
00:33:57,690 --> 00:33:55,360
mysteries with 1bo everything from

779
00:34:00,030 --> 00:33:57,700
remote viewing to quantum physics to the

780
00:34:02,820 --> 00:34:00,040
mysteries of the subconscious all tie

781
00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:02,830
together you know with this Sun Deck so

782
00:34:11,130 --> 00:34:07,780
a multi it's a multi shell that little

783
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:11,140
Russian doll okay yes multidisciplinary

784
00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:16,000
without a doubt real quick ap your group

785
00:34:26,430 --> 00:34:19,300
is so - I'm sure I get information from

786
00:34:28,590 --> 00:34:26,440
these advanced ETS is any of it of a

787
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:28,600
technical nature are you trying to

788
00:34:35,250 --> 00:34:32,409
decipher what some of these meta

789
00:34:36,730 --> 00:34:35,260
materials do through contact with them

790
00:34:39,220 --> 00:34:36,740
are you getting some other

791
00:34:42,909 --> 00:34:39,230
questions answered or is the information

792
00:34:46,899 --> 00:34:42,919
you're gathering of more of a social

793
00:34:48,369 --> 00:34:46,909
nature that type of thing well we're

794
00:34:51,580 --> 00:34:48,379
getting it from multiple ways and I can

795
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:51,590
just be frank to a certain degree is

796
00:34:55,330 --> 00:34:53,090
we're getting it from both kind of ways

797
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:55,340
and we've had validation on some of our

798
00:35:00,250 --> 00:34:57,290
more esoteric ways to get information so

799
00:35:02,050 --> 00:35:00,260
we're kind of pleased on a not an

800
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:02,060
egotistical sense but just in a factual

801
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:04,250
sense when we get validation on kind of

802
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:06,970
esoteric methods but also as a practical

803
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:09,890
scientific kind of mind in person

804
00:35:14,109 --> 00:35:11,810
you also need other means as well to you

805
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:14,119
can't take the esoteric just at face

806
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:15,680
value you have to have corroborated

807
00:35:20,650 --> 00:35:18,320
evidence and so that's kind of how we

808
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,660
we've operated with the subject so we've

809
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:22,160
done multiple different kind of street

810
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,910
information streams so what makes I'm

811
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:27,920
sorry go ahead finish up when they all

812
00:35:31,330 --> 00:35:29,510
cross and they all hit the same note

813
00:35:32,770 --> 00:35:31,340
then you realized something's ringing

814
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:32,780
there you know something's going on and

815
00:35:36,820 --> 00:35:35,330
if you make the right people upset you

816
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:36,830
also know you're doing something right

817
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:41,330
okay so with having uh somebody like

818
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:43,609
Cogswell I mean is there something he

819
00:35:48,010 --> 00:35:46,310
would like to know a lot of times you've

820
00:35:50,890 --> 00:35:48,020
just got to ask the right question to

821
00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:50,900
get the right answer and sometimes you

822
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:52,430
do need some technical background to

823
00:35:58,349 --> 00:35:55,250
even ask that right question of course

824
00:36:01,540 --> 00:35:58,359
of course and a lot of our scientific

825
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:01,550
tests that we want to conduct we had to

826
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:03,440
consult with some great minds because

827
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:05,210
you know you're in life and in

828
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,530
everything you're really only limited by

829
00:36:11,830 --> 00:36:08,240
your creativity and your intelligence

830
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:11,840
and and your tenacity but we wanted the

831
00:36:18,070 --> 00:36:15,200
benefit of smarter minds thoughts of you

832
00:36:19,330 --> 00:36:18,080
know taking theories about a UFOs and

833
00:36:21,310 --> 00:36:19,340
extraterrestrials and reverse

834
00:36:25,180 --> 00:36:21,320
engineering them into testable

835
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:25,190
real-world empirical tests for example

836
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:27,530
it are if these are time travelers is

837
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,170
there anything we could test physically

838
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:33,440
scientifically to corroborate that or to

839
00:36:38,590 --> 00:36:36,710
maybe give us a hint into that and it

840
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:38,600
ends up there are some ideas and some

841
00:36:43,210 --> 00:36:40,490
innovative thoughts about how to test

842
00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:43,220
for time travel one of them really

843
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:45,950
simply is blackbody radiation the

844
00:36:49,770 --> 00:36:48,290
universe started in a much more ordered

845
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:49,780
state

846
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:53,880
and uh at a higher energy per location

847
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:56,890
kind of ratio and over time it's

848
00:37:01,050 --> 00:36:58,480
expanding and the blackbody radiation is

849
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:01,060
getting colder and colder over time so

850
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:03,010
if we make a sighting and we're able to

851
00:37:07,110 --> 00:37:05,110
get a blackbody radiation

852
00:37:09,870 --> 00:37:07,120
baseline before the sighting and then

853
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:09,880
right as the sighting happens we're able

854
00:37:16,620 --> 00:37:12,730
to get another blackbody radiation level

855
00:37:20,070 --> 00:37:16,630
that's far lower far colder then there's

856
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:20,080
a strong chance that it could be from

857
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:22,240
the future you know so there's tests

858
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:24,010
like that that we could we could conduct

859
00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:26,410
as well to and the plan to conduct you

860
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:27,580
know simple ones like optical

861
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:29,710
spectrometry which can reveal major

862
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:32,530
major information about a craft or a

863
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:35,710
light source for example could you give

864
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:37,570
me some examples sure what optical

865
00:37:40,830 --> 00:37:39,430
spectrometry first of those who don't

866
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:40,840
understand what it is it basically is

867
00:37:45,390 --> 00:37:42,610
something they've utilized in astronomy

868
00:37:47,550 --> 00:37:45,400
for many years it's taking light from a

869
00:37:50,940 --> 00:37:47,560
distant object putting it through

870
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:50,950
essentially a prism and anyone who's had

871
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,330
junior high school science knows that if

872
00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:53,920
you put light through a prism it shoots

873
00:37:58,380 --> 00:37:56,470
out a rainbow and the really interesting

874
00:38:00,750 --> 00:37:58,390
thing happens depending on the light

875
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:00,760
source in that rainbow there's a little

876
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:03,760
black lawn and that interference pattern

877
00:38:09,060 --> 00:38:06,460
lets you know what elements are in that

878
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:09,070
light source so despite the fact that a

879
00:38:13,170 --> 00:38:11,050
star may be millions of light years away

880
00:38:14,910 --> 00:38:13,180
we can take the light from That star and

881
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:14,920
put it through optical spectrometry and

882
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:17,230
if to find out what elements that Sun is

883
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:19,450
made out of and it sounds like magic to

884
00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:20,890
be able to detect that sort of a thing

885
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,270
from a distance but it's a real real

886
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:24,640
science so the same is true with these

887
00:38:29,070 --> 00:38:26,770
craft even in distant craft if we're

888
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:29,080
able to isolate the light and put it

889
00:38:32,850 --> 00:38:31,210
through optical spectrometry we can get

890
00:38:34,590 --> 00:38:32,860
interesting information and this is not

891
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:34,600
the first time this has been done many

892
00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:35,890
different groups are doing this Chris

893
00:38:40,890 --> 00:38:38,500
Mullins data you a UFO data project is

894
00:38:43,850 --> 00:38:40,900
attempting this as well - but groups

895
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:43,860
like in Norway the hospital and Lights

896
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:47,050
group of scientists did optical

897
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:48,610
spectrometry and those reoccurring

898
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:50,560
phenomena and found amazing information

899
00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:52,510
like some of those lights contain

900
00:38:57,150 --> 00:38:55,030
scandium which is a rare earth element

901
00:39:00,090 --> 00:38:57,160
so there's really cool stuff that we can

902
00:39:02,289 --> 00:39:00,100
find out from scientific tests and I'm

903
00:39:09,729 --> 00:39:02,299
assuming the scandium

904
00:39:11,489 --> 00:39:09,739
would not be like an aircraft light for

905
00:39:14,859 --> 00:39:11,499
example or something along those lines

906
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:14,869
correct this the hostile and phenomena

907
00:39:20,469 --> 00:39:18,079
is a really interesting light ball kind

908
00:39:22,959 --> 00:39:20,479
of phenomenon I personally I'm not sure

909
00:39:25,689 --> 00:39:22,969
if it's I'm more suspicious it's a

910
00:39:29,439 --> 00:39:25,699
natural geomagnetic kind of plasma

911
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:29,449
phenomena but there's so much that we

912
00:39:33,999 --> 00:39:32,569
don't understand on earth and that's

913
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:34,009
that's one of them but they there's

914
00:39:39,009 --> 00:39:35,569
there's been many years of research

915
00:39:40,479 --> 00:39:39,019
there and it's verified and they have

916
00:39:43,329 --> 00:39:40,489
multiple pictures of these different

917
00:39:45,759 --> 00:39:43,339
light balls and light forms and they

918
00:39:48,370 --> 00:39:45,769
move credibly weird to do some very

919
00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:48,380
bizarre stuff and they've detected

920
00:39:51,789 --> 00:39:49,670
elements in them and there's a list of

921
00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:51,799
those elements and scandium to me was

922
00:39:55,509 --> 00:39:53,630
one that really jumped out but I can't

923
00:39:57,479 --> 00:39:55,519
remember the rest so I won't mention any

924
00:40:01,150 --> 00:39:57,489
but there were other metal other

925
00:40:02,499 --> 00:40:01,160
elements detected as well which is

926
00:40:04,779 --> 00:40:02,509
freaking cool when you think about it

927
00:40:06,699 --> 00:40:04,789
you know you can take data from numerous

928
00:40:08,469 --> 00:40:06,709
sightings and numerous events and you

929
00:40:11,339 --> 00:40:08,479
can put it together and you can

930
00:40:14,529 --> 00:40:11,349
extrapolate amazing information or

931
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:14,539
indications of potential amazing

932
00:40:19,449 --> 00:40:16,910
information you can get closer and

933
00:40:21,759 --> 00:40:19,459
closer to the truth are you familiar

934
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:21,769
with the Harley Rutledge's work at all

935
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:25,849
back in the 70s no ok I'm sounds

936
00:40:31,539 --> 00:40:29,089
familiar yeah we had Irina Scott on a

937
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:31,549
couple weeks back and we talked about

938
00:40:39,939 --> 00:40:33,529
his work a little bit where he had a

939
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:39,949
number of he had set up know a sort of a

940
00:40:46,660 --> 00:40:44,089
UFO tracking setup through the Midwest

941
00:40:48,370 --> 00:40:46,670
Missouri and through that area and I

942
00:40:50,859 --> 00:40:48,380
don't know if he did that or not I was

943
00:40:52,299 --> 00:40:50,869
well just kind of curious see if you

944
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,309
were a little bit more familiar with his

945
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:54,319
work I didn't get that many details on

946
00:41:00,789 --> 00:40:57,890
exactly what he was measuring but they

947
00:41:02,919 --> 00:41:00,799
did capture some UFO information I don't

948
00:41:04,660 --> 00:41:02,929
know if they did that or not but it

949
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:04,670
would be interesting if they did and

950
00:41:08,769 --> 00:41:07,130
that they did come up with something

951
00:41:10,959 --> 00:41:08,779
like that scandium or something else

952
00:41:13,209 --> 00:41:10,969
that would be unusual is that well sure

953
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,219
if you knew about it or not no but you

954
00:41:17,470 --> 00:41:15,440
know of course I know about knids

955
00:41:18,850 --> 00:41:17,480
started by Bigelow and they bought the

956
00:41:20,170 --> 00:41:18,860
skinwalker ranch and went to the

957
00:41:23,130 --> 00:41:20,180
skinwalker ranch to try and understand

958
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:23,140
the phenomena but the phenomena knew

959
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:25,910
that this was a private corporation and

960
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:28,130
that the results of any information

961
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:30,170
gleaned would go to private corporate

962
00:41:35,740 --> 00:41:32,330
use and probably destroy the planet a

963
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:35,750
little faster so the phenomena chose not

964
00:41:41,230 --> 00:41:38,240
to reveal itself to them under cameras

965
00:41:44,290 --> 00:41:41,240
and instead chose to play trickster and

966
00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:44,300
mess with them and I bet if you were put

967
00:41:47,620 --> 00:41:45,830
in that position you would do the same

968
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:47,630
thing I would do the same thing if I

969
00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:49,370
knew a private corporation wanted to

970
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:50,990
find out my secrets to help to store the

971
00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:52,610
planet faster I would play trickster as

972
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,590
well and I think that's exactly what the

973
00:41:58,060 --> 00:41:56,480
phenomena did and I think it's in a

974
00:42:01,420 --> 00:41:58,070
crucial point about what makes our

975
00:42:02,890 --> 00:42:01,430
project different is we believe all of

976
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:02,900
this stuff is in the control of the

977
00:42:07,090 --> 00:42:04,730
extraterrestrials the advanced

978
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:07,100
civilizations that are indisputably

979
00:42:11,890 --> 00:42:09,910
visiting us everything is it there

980
00:42:13,450 --> 00:42:11,900
whether we like to believe we're in

981
00:42:15,850 --> 00:42:13,460
control or not they can read

982
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:15,860
consciousness that's been indisputably I

983
00:42:20,530 --> 00:42:18,170
can proven by so many different cases

984
00:42:23,830 --> 00:42:20,540
and reports and military reports and

985
00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:23,840
pilots and thing after thing so they can

986
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:25,640
read our consciousness you can't fake

987
00:42:29,950 --> 00:42:28,250
your intentions and we believe that our

988
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:29,960
group believes that they are here for

989
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:33,140
two main reasons one is you know

990
00:42:38,380 --> 00:42:36,110
protection of the biosphere and two

991
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:38,390
gathering information data is the most

992
00:42:41,110 --> 00:42:39,710
valuable thing in the universe so

993
00:42:43,330 --> 00:42:41,120
they're gathering data and information

994
00:42:47,470 --> 00:42:43,340
and biological samples but at the same

995
00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:47,480
time we think that they're not going to

996
00:42:54,490 --> 00:42:51,400
allow themselves to be captured unless

997
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,500
we they're not gonna love themselves to

998
00:42:59,130 --> 00:42:56,480
be captured unless weird the right type

999
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:59,140
of person to capture that information in

1000
00:43:04,270 --> 00:43:02,480
they know our goals they read our hearts

1001
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:04,280
and you can't fake those things you know

1002
00:43:11,650 --> 00:43:09,440
so we're we're confident that the

1003
00:43:13,810 --> 00:43:11,660
phenomena will allow us to capture this

1004
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,820
data because it's for the people it's

1005
00:43:17,230 --> 00:43:15,440
gonna be live-streamed everything is

1006
00:43:19,330 --> 00:43:17,240
instantly gonna be dumps to the people

1007
00:43:21,370 --> 00:43:19,340
let's by the people for the people this

1008
00:43:23,140 --> 00:43:21,380
is not a profit project we don't beg and

1009
00:43:24,610 --> 00:43:23,150
ask for money we don't sell t-shirts

1010
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:24,620
with our logos on it

1011
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:26,810
we're not sponsored by any company this

1012
00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:27,710
is kind of

1013
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,190
like you know a grassroots people's

1014
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:34,160
open-source disclosure project and we

1015
00:43:36,940 --> 00:43:35,570
think others should start the same thing

1016
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:36,950
you know you don't have to support our

1017
00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:40,490
effort support another groups just as

1018
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:42,020
long as it's not going to some private

1019
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:44,690
industry or you know for major profit

1020
00:43:50,050 --> 00:43:48,170
and we also think those kind of things

1021
00:43:52,329 --> 00:43:50,060
will increase your chances of success as

1022
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,339
well too if you have altruistic motives

1023
00:43:57,970 --> 00:43:54,640
and goals that will increase your chance

1024
00:44:00,910 --> 00:43:57,980
so I you have do you have a timeline or

1025
00:44:04,030 --> 00:44:00,920
a game plan set up yeah we're in the

1026
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,040
summer months now it's easy to spend a

1027
00:44:08,740 --> 00:44:05,839
lot of time outside much easier than it

1028
00:44:11,380 --> 00:44:08,750
is say in December or January is this

1029
00:44:14,170 --> 00:44:11,390
are you like in season our and it

1030
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:14,180
doesn't reach answer it started now it

1031
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:15,770
does matter actually and you bring up a

1032
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:18,710
cogent just reality of staying outdoors

1033
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:23,359
all night and we're starting with some

1034
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:27,890
of our tests at location X let's say in

1035
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:29,599
a few weeks and those tests are just

1036
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,849
designed to get us the meditators the

1037
00:44:36,820 --> 00:44:33,920
videographers and the scientists and our

1038
00:44:38,650 --> 00:44:36,830
order of procedures all in the same page

1039
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:38,660
and what happens if this happens and

1040
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,490
what happens if that happens and get you

1041
00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:42,800
know herding cats kind of thing so we're

1042
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:44,150
gonna be doing a little bit of that and

1043
00:44:51,579 --> 00:44:47,330
then we hope to go to five UFO hot spots

1044
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:51,589
around the country and you know if we

1045
00:44:58,990 --> 00:44:53,510
have enough ability to do that it's not

1046
00:45:00,460 --> 00:44:59,000
an inexpensive project or an expense you

1047
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:00,470
know taking people around the country

1048
00:45:06,339 --> 00:45:03,290
and equipment is not you know it has

1049
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:06,349
obvious requirements so but we're gonna

1050
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,130
start here at the location X and go from

1051
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:12,560
there so it's committal be completely

1052
00:45:17,230 --> 00:45:15,410
open-source you'll be able to carry it

1053
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:17,240
live stream it if he wants anyone's

1054
00:45:21,550 --> 00:45:19,849
welcome to piggyback and you know

1055
00:45:24,730 --> 00:45:21,560
simulcast the live stream it's

1056
00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:24,740
completely open-source sounds like so

1057
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:26,750
we're starting soon yeah we hope to get

1058
00:45:32,740 --> 00:45:29,119
to a few locations by the time it gets

1059
00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:32,750
too cold well I guess if you go down

1060
00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:34,790
south littles that you've got a larger

1061
00:45:40,210 --> 00:45:37,369
window to work with definitely now you

1062
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:40,220
had mentioned being in the the Hudson

1063
00:45:43,210 --> 00:45:40,850
Valley

1064
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:43,220
I think that's Merisi or a location down

1065
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:45,770
too much and did you grow up in that

1066
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:49,190
area and following up on that if you did

1067
00:45:54,220 --> 00:45:51,530
do it did any of your youthful

1068
00:45:56,140 --> 00:45:54,230
experiences dovetail with a very

1069
00:45:59,710 --> 00:45:56,150
well-known that flap of sightings in the

1070
00:46:04,540 --> 00:45:59,720
Hudson Valley back in the 80s I have no

1071
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:04,550
connection to that flap in the 80s my

1072
00:46:09,370 --> 00:46:06,290
experiences were separate and in

1073
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:09,380
separate geography and my coming to the

1074
00:46:13,090 --> 00:46:11,090
Hudson Valley it was just kind of like a

1075
00:46:15,580 --> 00:46:13,100
crazy synchronicity of all Egypt factors

1076
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:15,590
came together and bless of blessings and

1077
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:18,530
you know things allowed me to have this

1078
00:46:24,130 --> 00:46:22,850
place about mmm it's like six to seven

1079
00:46:26,350 --> 00:46:24,140
years ago so I've only been in the

1080
00:46:30,130 --> 00:46:26,360
Hudson Valley that period of time about

1081
00:46:33,580 --> 00:46:30,140
seven about seven years so I was not

1082
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:33,590
involved in that laughs in Pine Bush in

1083
00:46:36,670 --> 00:46:34,970
the Hudson Valley and other places in

1084
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:36,680
the Hudson Valley but I am very well

1085
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:38,710
aware of it and that research did and

1086
00:46:43,060 --> 00:46:40,730
what about some other folks in your

1087
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:43,070
group were they around then oh yeah

1088
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:44,090
yeah there was a couple people in the

1089
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:46,490
group from the area go around then no

1090
00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:50,480
one that is in our group claims to have

1091
00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:52,700
seen it but knows people who were you

1092
00:47:00,970 --> 00:46:54,710
know like third perk third party kind of

1093
00:47:02,380 --> 00:47:00,980
stuff again it's it's you know before we

1094
00:47:04,420 --> 00:47:02,390
were talking about setting up a general

1095
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:04,430
geography that is conducive of

1096
00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:06,530
visitation and the Hudson Valley is very

1097
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:10,750
much like that azzam not a super busy

1098
00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:15,680
area it's you know more rule and so it's

1099
00:47:21,580 --> 00:47:19,070
more conducive for contact day it's a

1100
00:47:24,070 --> 00:47:21,590
great area I know it probably from

1101
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,080
basically the Jersey line up to maybe

1102
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:26,000
about West Point I'm going to assume

1103
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:28,250
that you're well north of that area but

1104
00:47:32,830 --> 00:47:30,650
it's a it's a fun interesting area

1105
00:47:35,380 --> 00:47:32,840
really is I like that part of the

1106
00:47:39,070 --> 00:47:35,390
country pretty well and there's a lot of

1107
00:47:41,620 --> 00:47:39,080
ongoing you know stuff going on here so

1108
00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:41,630
it's it's a very I don't know why I know

1109
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:42,950
I don't completely understand all the

1110
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:45,770
different phenomena or reasons why and

1111
00:47:49,330 --> 00:47:47,570
what makes this location I don't know

1112
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:49,340
all the pieces you know I'm just in a

1113
00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:51,970
enthralled student as much as anybody

1114
00:47:55,630 --> 00:47:54,350
sometimes people think I've got a

1115
00:47:57,820 --> 00:47:55,640
the answers I don't I've got some

1116
00:47:59,320 --> 00:47:57,830
insights and observations in some

1117
00:48:01,720 --> 00:47:59,330
connections and different people who

1118
00:48:03,790 --> 00:48:01,730
have insights as well too and different

1119
00:48:05,950 --> 00:48:03,800
ways of getting information but I'm just

1120
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:05,960
as much an enthralled enamoured and

1121
00:48:13,870 --> 00:48:11,930
amazed student as anybody then one to

1122
00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:13,880
saw when this project is coming up when

1123
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,260
they're gonna be when you guys are gonna

1124
00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:16,880
be live-streaming these events how are

1125
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:18,680
people gonna find out about that is that

1126
00:48:23,050 --> 00:48:20,570
to your YouTube or you know the website

1127
00:48:24,340 --> 00:48:23,060
up by that on YouTube we're we should

1128
00:48:25,870 --> 00:48:24,350
have our website up hopefully this week

1129
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:25,880
we've got two different versions of it

1130
00:48:30,730 --> 00:48:29,450
and on two different platforms and we're

1131
00:48:33,790 --> 00:48:30,740
gonna launch everything at the same time

1132
00:48:36,010 --> 00:48:33,800
I guess and it'll be simulcast on our

1133
00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:36,020
YouTube and anyone else can you reach

1134
00:48:39,070 --> 00:48:37,550
out to us direct if they want to try and

1135
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:39,080
stream in other ways you can talk to our

1136
00:48:45,940 --> 00:48:42,160
technical people and you know we have

1137
00:48:48,550 --> 00:48:45,950
some realistic concerns one is because

1138
00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:48,560
we're looking to get data we're

1139
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:52,990
concerned that certain groups or

1140
00:48:57,820 --> 00:48:55,760
organizations might want to acquire our

1141
00:49:01,000 --> 00:48:57,830
data before we're able to give it to the

1142
00:49:03,060 --> 00:49:01,010
people and so we're trying to put

1143
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:03,070
together or some methods and means to

1144
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:07,370
ensure our ability to do that so if

1145
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:08,690
there's anyone out there who has any

1146
00:49:13,090 --> 00:49:10,640
innovative ideas and knows exactly what

1147
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:13,100
I'm talking about we welcome their their

1148
00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:16,450
input and anyone who would like to help

1149
00:49:38,050 --> 00:49:35,270
you know we have a larger document

1150
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:38,060
that's a kind of a fuller way to create

1151
00:49:43,090 --> 00:49:40,850
and initiate or respond to an initiation

1152
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:43,100
of contact but we also have different

1153
00:49:47,050 --> 00:49:45,050
other PDFs that we're giving people now

1154
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:47,060
so if they want the basic information on

1155
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:49,310
basic cg5 we can give them that stuff if

1156
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:51,230
they're already having successful ce-5

1157
00:49:54,970 --> 00:49:52,970
don't want try and get it closer we can

1158
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,980
give them our small pack of the

1159
00:49:59,140 --> 00:49:56,960
quote/unquote advanced protocol for

1160
00:50:03,010 --> 00:49:59,150
whatever you know they're worth to you

1161
00:50:05,950 --> 00:50:03,020
know whoever we gladly share anything we

1162
00:50:07,180 --> 00:50:05,960
have so and if if other people have UFO

1163
00:50:08,110 --> 00:50:07,190
data and they want to give it to us

1164
00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:08,120
we've had a lot

1165
00:50:11,650 --> 00:50:09,470
different groups and people and

1166
00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:11,660
interesting people give us UFO data and

1167
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:15,260
information and all everything is

1168
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:16,640
transparent for the people so if you

1169
00:50:19,630 --> 00:50:18,290
want UFO data if you're looking for

1170
00:50:21,460 --> 00:50:19,640
information on certain types of

1171
00:50:23,950 --> 00:50:21,470
sightings or certain types of events we

1172
00:50:25,690 --> 00:50:23,960
might have some insights and we are

1173
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,700
doing a little bit of data mining now

1174
00:50:28,810 --> 00:50:27,440
but it's not really our our main

1175
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:28,820
objective we want to gather more data

1176
00:50:36,190 --> 00:50:30,800
before we start some data mining

1177
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:36,200
projects and you said the the first live

1178
00:50:39,970 --> 00:50:37,760
stream is gonna be about three weeks or

1179
00:50:42,850 --> 00:50:39,980
now yeah about three weeks from now will

1180
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:42,860
be just a test of some meditators and

1181
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:45,290
some of the equipment stuff and we will

1182
00:50:51,550 --> 00:50:47,810
a live stream art our dress rehearsal

1183
00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:51,560
our stuff even though it'll be messy

1184
00:50:56,380 --> 00:50:53,590
because we're gonna be you know working

1185
00:50:59,890 --> 00:50:56,390
means some procedures but I think it's

1186
00:51:05,430 --> 00:50:59,900
important to kind of include everybody

1187
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:05,440
on all that stuff as well so absolutely

1188
00:51:11,350 --> 00:51:08,210
alright well that's all about I got

1189
00:51:14,050 --> 00:51:11,360
Frank what are you uh well yeah I just

1190
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:14,060
want to go back into a little bit about

1191
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:17,510
the the technical end of things if you

1192
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:19,610
have a specifically gathered some

1193
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:21,770
information that you think might be of

1194
00:51:27,820 --> 00:51:24,050
some benefit on the technical end for

1195
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:27,830
for all us folks oh yeah we we've

1196
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,890
gathered data from multiple different

1197
00:51:35,170 --> 00:51:32,960
very interesting sources and it's real

1198
00:51:37,870 --> 00:51:35,180
hard data there's a UFO data reports

1199
00:51:39,790 --> 00:51:37,880
there's sighting reports there's a

1200
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:39,800
variety of different types of data we've

1201
00:51:48,910 --> 00:51:42,800
gathered not only you know a unique film

1202
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:48,920
and video and stuff but also metrics so

1203
00:51:54,910 --> 00:51:51,290
we're we and other stuff we've been

1204
00:51:56,980 --> 00:51:54,920
acquiring some interesting stuff so you

1205
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,990
know we'll release it in time you know

1206
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:58,880
the stuff like videos and pictures don't

1207
00:52:05,650 --> 00:52:01,760
really do much nowadays they have to

1208
00:52:09,550 --> 00:52:05,660
have corroborated simultaneous evidence

1209
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:09,560
and so we want to before we you know

1210
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:10,970
although we say we're transparent

1211
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:13,250
transparent transparent there's some

1212
00:52:16,750 --> 00:52:14,930
stuff we're not releasing just yet until

1213
00:52:17,860 --> 00:52:16,760
it's more advantageous time you know we

1214
00:52:21,070 --> 00:52:17,870
don't want to shoot ourselves in the

1215
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:21,080
foot and release information prematurely

1216
00:52:25,650 --> 00:52:22,000
that might hurt our own

1217
00:52:28,110 --> 00:52:25,660
efforts so but we have acquired data and

1218
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:28,120
information now and when are we going to

1219
00:52:32,340 --> 00:52:30,730
see and hear from or if not see at least

1220
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:32,350
hear from some other members of your

1221
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:36,490
team some of them have already been on

1222
00:52:39,590 --> 00:52:37,690
the YouTube channel you can hear

1223
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:39,600
everyone from our creative director to

1224
00:52:44,130 --> 00:52:42,910
our producer you can hear them talk

1225
00:52:47,820 --> 00:52:44,140
about their thoughts and perspectives

1226
00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:47,830
and there's some videos of members of

1227
00:52:52,830 --> 00:52:50,830
the group here that are going out and

1228
00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:52,840
there during some unlisted video shows

1229
00:52:58,260 --> 00:52:56,350
but I can give you the unlisted email

1230
00:53:01,680 --> 00:52:58,270
and your listeners can check out those

1231
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:01,690
videos of some of the witnesses and but

1232
00:53:06,590 --> 00:53:03,310
you know in some ways we're not really

1233
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:06,600
trying to promote our you know to

1234
00:53:12,210 --> 00:53:10,030
promote ourselves too much because we're

1235
00:53:13,620 --> 00:53:12,220
in the midst of this you know we want to

1236
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:13,630
gather more information before we you

1237
00:53:18,990 --> 00:53:16,030
know try to make a circus of it you know

1238
00:53:21,090 --> 00:53:19,000
so uh but uh I'll send you a link to

1239
00:53:22,980 --> 00:53:21,100
some interesting videos and it would be

1240
00:53:25,350 --> 00:53:22,990
okay for us to pop that up in the

1241
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:25,360
description of the of this video

1242
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:28,410
sure absolutely okay okay and also um

1243
00:53:31,890 --> 00:53:30,430
you know if there's one other point to

1244
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,900
make about all this and I think it's an

1245
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:33,520
important aspect a really important

1246
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:34,930
aspect that we haven't touched upon too

1247
00:53:41,490 --> 00:53:38,170
much and that's the powers of the kind

1248
00:53:43,260 --> 00:53:41,500
of subconscious to affect this remote

1249
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:43,270
viewing and things like that all kind of

1250
00:53:50,820 --> 00:53:47,460
come together in a very strange weird

1251
00:53:52,350 --> 00:53:50,830
synchronicity with the UFO topic a lot

1252
00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:52,360
of remote viewers who started very

1253
00:53:56,730 --> 00:53:54,300
straight without a belief in UFOs

1254
00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:56,740
started with a real practical context

1255
00:54:00,960 --> 00:53:59,050
with remote viewing controlled remote

1256
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:00,970
viewing like from Stanford Research

1257
00:54:05,310 --> 00:54:03,370
Institute and the Department of Defense

1258
00:54:07,050 --> 00:54:05,320
in the CIA when they did their efforts

1259
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:07,060
there were numerous people who started

1260
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:08,800
very straight who weren't UFO believers

1261
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:11,680
but you kind of because of the nature of

1262
00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:13,710
the powers of the subconscious mm-hmm

1263
00:54:20,220 --> 00:54:18,310
you're kind of led to it and remote

1264
00:54:23,130 --> 00:54:20,230
viewing and some of these quote-unquote

1265
00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:23,140
psychic-ish phenomena I hate leaving the

1266
00:54:31,230 --> 00:54:26,790
word psychic relate directly to

1267
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,240
transcendentalism to Buddhism to fit

1268
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:33,280
hardcore physics to all these things

1269
00:54:37,290 --> 00:54:35,290
really all tied together

1270
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:37,300
to those on the outside it sounds nutty

1271
00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:39,730
it sounds crazy that how could you know

1272
00:54:44,550 --> 00:54:42,760
physics combined with Buddhism can it

1273
00:54:46,860 --> 00:54:44,560
combine with UFOs and the power of the

1274
00:54:49,470 --> 00:54:46,870
subconscious I don't get it but those

1275
00:54:51,590 --> 00:54:49,480
who kind of do the research enough

1276
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:51,600
research keep seeing that one

1277
00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:53,890
reoccurring theme keeps coming up

1278
00:54:57,720 --> 00:54:56,260
but it's consciousness consciousness

1279
00:55:00,720 --> 00:54:57,730
what does consciousness have to do with

1280
00:55:02,550 --> 00:55:00,730
this and it's a big part of cg5 being

1281
00:55:03,930 --> 00:55:02,560
able to tap it's not just going out

1282
00:55:05,820 --> 00:55:03,940
there wishing and hoping with your

1283
00:55:09,060 --> 00:55:05,830
conscious mind that you're gonna see

1284
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:09,070
your craft it's about going a level

1285
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:11,170
deeper into this kind of meditative

1286
00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:13,330
state where you shrink your physical

1287
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:16,420
senses and you shrink your you're

1288
00:55:22,530 --> 00:55:19,510
absorbing of the stimuli that comes from

1289
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,540
the material world and you still

1290
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:24,640
yourself like a lake and when you're

1291
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:26,890
still like a lake you can reflect the

1292
00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:29,770
universe and see any time or space or

1293
00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:31,630
connect with any time or space or thing

1294
00:55:38,910 --> 00:55:34,630
or great oneness some people call it the

1295
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:38,920
Lyman and L IME in or the monad or many

1296
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:40,810
other different things some people call

1297
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,490
it Chi Universal energy and information

1298
00:55:48,780 --> 00:55:47,200
dr. Vernon nepi who's a very well known

1299
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:48,790
scientist now has a thing called the

1300
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:50,410
gimel which is essentially a

1301
00:55:56,190 --> 00:55:53,770
consciousness field and as much as it

1302
00:55:59,520 --> 00:55:56,200
sounds weird and unrelated it actually

1303
00:56:02,820 --> 00:55:59,530
is completely related science now is

1304
00:56:05,850 --> 00:56:02,830
very seriously looking at the physical

1305
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:05,860
reality of consciousness playing a role

1306
00:56:11,370 --> 00:56:09,010
in our universe and those who know about

1307
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:11,380
the two double slit experiment and

1308
00:56:15,830 --> 00:56:13,450
entanglement and other aspects of

1309
00:56:18,330 --> 00:56:15,840
physics know that this is a real weird

1310
00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:18,340
phenomena and a real weird world we live

1311
00:56:23,970 --> 00:56:21,940
in and it seems as though there's two

1312
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:23,980
forms of the universe there's a matter

1313
00:56:28,170 --> 00:56:25,510
and energy form of the universe that's

1314
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,180
detectable and testable and then there's

1315
00:56:33,780 --> 00:56:30,640
another aspect of the universe that is

1316
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:33,790
consciousness and that you know just

1317
00:56:40,820 --> 00:56:35,530
matter and in and of itself can't exist

1318
00:56:43,170 --> 00:56:40,830
without this kind of dual feedback

1319
00:56:44,430 --> 00:56:43,180
matter can't exist without consciousness

1320
00:56:47,130 --> 00:56:44,440
and consciousness can't exist without

1321
00:56:48,750 --> 00:56:47,140
matter and matter is meaningless without

1322
00:56:50,790 --> 00:56:48,760
consciousness and

1323
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:50,800
that somehow consciousness is half of

1324
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:52,690
everything that we experience everything

1325
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:56,650
in our universe or more so it's just an

1326
00:57:01,860 --> 00:56:58,000
interesting aspect of it and the more

1327
00:57:04,740 --> 00:57:01,870
you develop a your the powers of your

1328
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:04,750
intuition the more you develop your

1329
00:57:08,610 --> 00:57:06,730
abilities to shrink from this world and

1330
00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:08,620
become still like that lake and reflect

1331
00:57:13,470 --> 00:57:10,060
the universe the more you'll discover

1332
00:57:15,450 --> 00:57:13,480
things that seem just ridiculous like

1333
00:57:18,020 --> 00:57:15,460
the ability to see distant places and

1334
00:57:22,170 --> 00:57:18,030
times and things and locations and

1335
00:57:24,210 --> 00:57:22,180
information and even famous Buddhist

1336
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:24,220
like Nagarjuna spoke about this 2,000

1337
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:27,010
years ago so it's not like it's a secret

1338
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:32,410
but I think hiding in plain sight it is

1339
00:57:40,110 --> 00:57:34,810
a little odd in that this aspect of

1340
00:57:42,330 --> 00:57:40,120
things related to yes P whatever you

1341
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:42,340
want to call it is a little bit more

1342
00:57:48,420 --> 00:57:46,570
accessible to most folks UFOs maybe

1343
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,430
you're into it maybe you're not but

1344
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:51,040
usually yeah most everyone either has

1345
00:58:00,210 --> 00:57:54,010
personally or knows somebody who has

1346
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:00,220
maybe had a stroke of intuition I've got

1347
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:01,690
a bad feeling about this

1348
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:04,690
that type of thing that has helped them

1349
00:58:14,130 --> 00:58:10,000
somewhere along the way and it is odd

1350
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:14,140
you know when you look at the the - the

1351
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:16,330
Stars consortium and its various

1352
00:58:21,210 --> 00:58:18,490
connections they're not talking about

1353
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:21,220
this aspect openly this is a this is

1354
00:58:27,630 --> 00:58:24,000
coming from elsewhere back channel

1355
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:27,640
quietly you're not seeing any talk about

1356
00:58:32,610 --> 00:58:30,640
this aspect of the phenomenon on CNN

1357
00:58:35,460 --> 00:58:32,620
it's fairly store on in the New York

1358
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:35,470
Times it's fairly straightforward here's

1359
00:58:40,110 --> 00:58:36,970
an account of this case here's some

1360
00:58:42,060 --> 00:58:40,120
video we've also got this material that

1361
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:42,070
we're taking a closer look at and that's

1362
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:44,170
it they're they're not touching this

1363
00:58:48,510 --> 00:58:47,170
with a 10-foot Pole night in some ways I

1364
00:58:50,310 --> 00:58:48,520
understand it in other ways I think

1365
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,320
maybe there's a little bit of irony

1366
00:58:56,220 --> 00:58:53,200
again because it is so accessible to

1367
00:58:58,830 --> 00:58:56,230
anyone you know it's what I've kind of

1368
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:58,840
thought about it is this whole topic

1369
00:59:04,499 --> 00:59:02,319
this whole subject is a really big meal

1370
00:59:08,189 --> 00:59:04,509
and you can't eat it all in one mouthful

1371
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:08,199
you have to have spoonfuls and in order

1372
00:59:12,299 --> 00:59:10,569
to have a good healthy meal you know at

1373
00:59:13,650 --> 00:59:12,309
the end and you know I think the

1374
00:59:14,849 --> 00:59:13,660
government is giving us spoonfuls at a

1375
00:59:17,489 --> 00:59:14,859
time I think different groups and

1376
00:59:20,969 --> 00:59:17,499
organizations serve different spoonful

1377
00:59:23,999 --> 00:59:20,979
purposes and society is slowly becoming

1378
00:59:25,529 --> 00:59:24,009
acclimated to these different aspects

1379
00:59:27,630 --> 00:59:25,539
but it's true what you say that it is

1380
00:59:30,089 --> 00:59:27,640
funny that there's more acceptance of

1381
00:59:32,849 --> 00:59:30,099
the psychic you want to call it that

1382
00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:32,859
phenomena because everyone kind of

1383
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:35,049
experiences intuition everyone sees you

1384
00:59:41,249 --> 00:59:39,089
know animal instinct and crazy you know

1385
00:59:43,259 --> 00:59:41,259
statistical coincidences in their lives

1386
00:59:45,089 --> 00:59:43,269
and things so we can kind of relate to

1387
00:59:48,709 --> 00:59:45,099
that in a personal context not as many

1388
00:59:52,439 --> 00:59:48,719
people have had you know contact with

1389
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,449
advanced civilizations or UFO or things

1390
00:59:56,699 --> 00:59:54,400
they could be misinterpreted as you know

1391
00:59:59,309 --> 00:59:56,709
from satellites do natural weird light

1392
01:00:03,089 --> 00:59:59,319
phenomena we don't even truly understand

1393
01:00:05,219 --> 01:00:03,099
yet god it's a it's a cruise that's a

1394
01:00:07,319 --> 01:00:05,229
crucial cool aspect of it and all the

1395
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:07,329
people in the know all the the

1396
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:09,609
researchers and top people all know that

1397
01:00:13,709 --> 01:00:11,169
it's a crucial aspect of it and it's the

1398
01:00:16,589 --> 01:00:13,719
missing piece of the puzzle and quantum

1399
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:16,599
physics and the latest you know physics

1400
01:00:22,439 --> 01:00:19,689
and the most feverish fields and physics

1401
01:00:25,890 --> 01:00:22,449
deals with trying to add consciousness

1402
01:00:28,829 --> 01:00:25,900
to the equation and to the equation is

1403
01:00:30,539 --> 01:00:28,839
plural and it seems like dr. Vernon Epis

1404
01:00:32,729 --> 01:00:30,549
pretty close there's other people who

1405
01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:32,739
are very close to like dr. Jack Sarfati

1406
01:00:36,449 --> 01:00:35,380
with his post quantum mechanics he is a

1407
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,459
jackass

1408
01:00:39,929 --> 01:00:38,559
jack is a pretty interesting guy okay

1409
01:00:40,589 --> 01:00:39,939
yeah I've been in contact with Jack a

1410
01:00:45,019 --> 01:00:40,599
little bit

1411
01:00:48,709 --> 01:00:45,029
oh yeah Jack's a friend and um just a

1412
01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:48,719
revolutionary intellect and he has

1413
01:00:56,489 --> 01:00:52,329
basically figured out how the cold

1414
01:00:58,349 --> 01:00:56,499
fusion micro wormhole tic-tac works and

1415
01:01:00,329 --> 01:00:58,359
it's all the same fault formula

1416
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:00,339
basically describes not only cold fusion

1417
01:01:05,969 --> 01:01:03,609
but also maybe tiny little micro

1418
01:01:07,649 --> 01:01:05,979
wormholes not like a big wormhole portal

1419
01:01:09,689 --> 01:01:07,659
but a bunch of these tiny little micro

1420
01:01:13,319 --> 01:01:09,699
ones that hold the craft forward circle

1421
01:01:15,419 --> 01:01:13,329
absolutely in a row and he's got some

1422
01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:15,429
really revolutionary work and I keep

1423
01:01:18,059 --> 01:01:16,150
easing me

1424
01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:18,069
in mind as well - he never talks about

1425
01:01:22,049 --> 01:01:20,049
it though he does spends most of his

1426
01:01:26,660 --> 01:01:22,059
time talking about politics these days

1427
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:26,670
in terms of his public output well

1428
01:01:31,470 --> 01:01:29,650
you're in the right circles he's kind of

1429
01:01:34,410 --> 01:01:31,480
like us he's very open source with his

1430
01:01:36,180 --> 01:01:34,420
formulas he posts them in the academic

1431
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:36,190
journals and the different academic

1432
01:01:41,609 --> 01:01:39,490
sites so if you're you know privy to

1433
01:01:43,890 --> 01:01:41,619
those different academic sources he you

1434
01:01:46,170 --> 01:01:43,900
can get his stuff every week a new paper

1435
01:01:51,089 --> 01:01:46,180
or a new insight or new something and he

1436
01:01:52,859 --> 01:01:51,099
puts it out there open source so you

1437
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:52,869
know his work needs financing his

1438
01:02:00,900 --> 01:01:56,400
experiments his ideas you know dr.

1439
01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:00,910
Campbell has gotten his Kickstarter over

1440
01:02:05,069 --> 01:02:03,160
150,000 dollars for his investigation of

1441
01:02:07,170 --> 01:02:05,079
the simulation theory and dr. Jack's

1442
01:02:09,420 --> 01:02:07,180
work certainly deserves that kind of

1443
01:02:12,420 --> 01:02:09,430
research - and to not only cold fusion

1444
01:02:14,670 --> 01:02:12,430
but warp drives and let me ask you about

1445
01:02:17,220 --> 01:02:14,680
that sim theory I that that is one thing

1446
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:17,230
that is pretty fascinating to me and

1447
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:19,930
I've got to tell you if someone were to

1448
01:02:24,809 --> 01:02:22,480
create a computer program that we're all

1449
01:02:27,089 --> 01:02:24,819
living through you would certainly put a

1450
01:02:30,779 --> 01:02:27,099
few Easter eggs in there like psychic

1451
01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:30,789
ability and terrestrials and all that

1452
01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:32,710
but what do you think about that do you

1453
01:02:37,470 --> 01:02:35,230
think there is any validity to it or are

1454
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:37,480
we just living in a corporeal universe

1455
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:40,089
and now you're going to really the the

1456
01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:45,970
levels below the levels below like Erich

1457
01:02:51,329 --> 01:02:47,710
von Daniken I am just asking the

1458
01:02:53,460 --> 01:02:51,339
questions you know well my I didn't

1459
01:02:54,990 --> 01:02:53,470
necessarily want to go here but you know

1460
01:02:59,010 --> 01:02:55,000
this is getting into my personal beliefs

1461
01:03:07,140 --> 01:02:59,020
a little bit more but I my speculation

1462
01:03:08,849 --> 01:03:07,150
is the science and the math behind the

1463
01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:08,859
probabilities as to whether we're a

1464
01:03:12,510 --> 01:03:10,630
simulation or not are highly indicative

1465
01:03:16,109 --> 01:03:12,520
that we're living in the simulation and

1466
01:03:18,930 --> 01:03:16,119
if we were living in a simulation you

1467
01:03:23,370 --> 01:03:18,940
don't have to wonder why and what were

1468
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:23,380
the benefits be and if a simulation is

1469
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:25,359
if the simulation is a free-form

1470
01:03:29,910 --> 01:03:27,730
simulation or nor is it a deterministic

1471
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:29,920
simulation

1472
01:03:35,460 --> 01:03:32,319
if it is what it seems like a

1473
01:03:39,299 --> 01:03:35,470
deterministic world where everything is

1474
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:39,309
known why would a computer do this why

1475
01:03:43,650 --> 01:03:41,200
would it and artificial intelligence do

1476
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:43,660
this the only thing that I can think of

1477
01:03:48,299 --> 01:03:47,200
is why would you have a simulation and

1478
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:48,309
we've had some videos like this on our

1479
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:50,049
site but there's a lot of different

1480
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:52,089
reasons why maybe you want to experience

1481
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:53,650
maybe it's an advanced civilization

1482
01:03:58,079 --> 01:03:55,839
maybe it's us in the future and we want

1483
01:03:59,099 --> 01:03:58,089
to go back and live lives like avatars

1484
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:59,109
you know someone might want to be

1485
01:04:04,410 --> 01:04:02,079
Beyonce and so criminal things like that

1486
01:04:06,539 --> 01:04:04,420
sure but not only that it could be as

1487
01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:06,549
entertainment like what if you wanted to

1488
01:04:11,010 --> 01:04:08,470
be a Beyonce and you could be Beyonce in

1489
01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:11,020
this reality or really feel what it felt

1490
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:13,510
like but because if this is a

1491
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:16,210
deterministic universe and the most you

1492
01:04:19,620 --> 01:04:17,530
could get out of it if it's truly

1493
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:19,630
deterministic which means that you have

1494
01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:21,970
no free will in every action seems like

1495
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:23,470
you have free will but it's this complex

1496
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:26,160
illusion and everything is determined by

1497
01:04:31,319 --> 01:04:29,130
incredible sequence of previous actions

1498
01:04:34,770 --> 01:04:31,329
then the only reason to have this

1499
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:34,780
universe would be to experience to feel

1500
01:04:40,260 --> 01:04:38,410
and maybe there's an advanced computer

1501
01:04:44,220 --> 01:04:40,270
in the future that wants to know what it

1502
01:04:46,890 --> 01:04:44,230
feels like to be humans as a not as an

1503
01:04:49,260 --> 01:04:46,900
altruistic thing but as a further data

1504
01:04:50,490 --> 01:04:49,270
acquisition I think data is the most

1505
01:04:53,180 --> 01:04:50,500
valuable thing in the universe

1506
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:53,190
and so simulations seem a very logical

1507
01:04:59,250 --> 01:04:55,599
pursuit for any advanced civilization to

1508
01:05:01,410 --> 01:04:59,260
do but even more scary to me in a weird

1509
01:05:04,049 --> 01:05:01,420
way I'm a little suspicious that maybe

1510
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:04,059
in the maybe human beings created

1511
01:05:08,730 --> 01:05:05,890
advanced artificial intelligence maybe

1512
01:05:10,799 --> 01:05:08,740
it destroyed us in the future and maybe

1513
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:10,809
this artificial intelligence is longing

1514
01:05:19,650 --> 01:05:14,410
to know what it felt like to be alive

1515
01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:19,660
and did this as a simulation not from

1516
01:05:22,430 --> 01:05:21,369
you know caring purposes but just to

1517
01:05:25,020 --> 01:05:22,440
have more data and more information

1518
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:25,030
because as humans create and invent and

1519
01:05:28,140 --> 01:05:26,770
do all sorts of crazy cool things I'm

1520
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:28,150
sure an artificial intelligence would

1521
01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:29,250
want to have that same ability

1522
01:05:35,730 --> 01:05:32,710
especially if it lost that ability or

1523
01:05:37,559 --> 01:05:35,740
lost humans or its creator or whatever

1524
01:05:39,809 --> 01:05:37,569
so there's a lot of possibilities

1525
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:39,819
I hope we're we're still really alive

1526
01:05:43,620 --> 01:05:42,250
and humans aren't dead

1527
01:05:46,500 --> 01:05:43,630
living in simulations are

1528
01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:46,510
and artificial intelligences didn't kill

1529
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:49,390
us in the future but I'm not ruling

1530
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:51,760
anything out I wish dr. Campbell the

1531
01:05:55,710 --> 01:05:53,920
best of luck and I have a sneaking

1532
01:05:59,070 --> 01:05:55,720
suspicion the universe is gonna be such

1533
01:06:01,290 --> 01:05:59,080
where it's going to leave room for faith

1534
01:06:03,630 --> 01:06:01,300
there's always a little room for faith

1535
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:03,640
and everything and I think there's a

1536
01:06:09,620 --> 01:06:06,400
faith gap between science and mmm

1537
01:06:12,510 --> 01:06:09,630
wherever science wants to go always and

1538
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:12,520
I'm a great person of faith as well too

1539
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:15,760
and so I believe in that faith gap so I

1540
01:06:19,530 --> 01:06:17,200
think that faith gap will always be

1541
01:06:22,140 --> 01:06:19,540
there to a certain degree now earlier

1542
01:06:23,700 --> 01:06:22,150
you had mentioned a dr. Nephi how do you

1543
01:06:27,090 --> 01:06:23,710
spell that last name in case somebody

1544
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:27,100
wants to look him up it's any PPE okay

1545
01:06:32,910 --> 01:06:28,380
he's gonna come up with this

1546
01:06:34,350 --> 01:06:32,920
award-winning Theory called the Gemmell

1547
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:34,360
and that's based after the third letter

1548
01:06:38,180 --> 01:06:35,710
in the Hebrew alphabet and it's

1549
01:06:40,190 --> 01:06:38,190
basically a consciousness field and he's

1550
01:06:44,190 --> 01:06:40,200
mathematically proven this

1551
01:06:45,930 --> 01:06:44,200
volumetrically and other ways through

1552
01:06:48,570 --> 01:06:45,940
some pretty empirical and peer-reviewed

1553
01:06:50,190 --> 01:06:48,580
stuff so it's really it's really cool

1554
01:06:53,940 --> 01:06:50,200
it's another angle on this consciousness

1555
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:53,950
and matter how they interrelate and how

1556
01:07:00,050 --> 01:06:56,730
matter is actualized by consciousness

1557
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:00,060
that sounds not too dissimilar to what

1558
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:03,370
Lanza has come up with yep yeah a lot of

1559
01:07:07,230 --> 01:07:05,440
people are different you know everyone's

1560
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:07,240
circling around the same stuff Jack says

1561
01:07:10,110 --> 01:07:08,170
Patty's doing the same thing other

1562
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:10,120
people are doing it you know Deepak

1563
01:07:15,660 --> 01:07:12,850
Chopra and others are dabbling in

1564
01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:15,670
different angles on it so it's kind of

1565
01:07:18,090 --> 01:07:16,990
like when string theory first came out

1566
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:18,100
there's a bunch of different string

1567
01:07:21,090 --> 01:07:19,810
theories you know and now there's a

1568
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:21,100
bunch of different consciousness field

1569
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:24,490
theories and the neat thing is that

1570
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:26,170
they're starting to become testable

1571
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:28,000
which is the really cool part

1572
01:07:34,650 --> 01:07:30,330
Vernon neppy this is your guy correct

1573
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:34,660
yes dr. Byrne and neppy yep okay head of

1574
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:38,530
the Pacific neuropsychiatric Institute

1575
01:07:44,730 --> 01:07:42,010
okay got it okay so in case anyone wants

1576
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:44,740
to look him up Vernon Neffe any double

1577
01:07:51,030 --> 01:07:48,730
PE and thought he just did on dr.

1578
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:51,040
Jeffery Mitch loves and new thinking

1579
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:53,170
aloud he did an episode like two days

1580
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:54,610
ago too which was a great episode that

1581
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:55,690
talks about the gimel in the

1582
01:07:59,370 --> 01:07:57,280
consciousness field

1583
01:08:03,300 --> 01:07:59,380
and all that stuff that's right that is

1584
01:08:05,820 --> 01:08:03,310
a complaint show miss love as he's got

1585
01:08:07,740 --> 01:08:05,830
an archives that is extraordinary going

1586
01:08:09,210 --> 01:08:07,750
back to the the first go-around would

1587
01:08:11,580 --> 01:08:09,220
this show what it's nice to see that he

1588
01:08:14,250 --> 01:08:11,590
brought it back yes and he has

1589
01:08:17,370 --> 01:08:14,260
tremendous insights into parapsychology

1590
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:17,380
and into physics reality consciousness

1591
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:21,010
and the paranormal and in fact he's

1592
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:23,650
gonna be interviewing Jack soon so okay

1593
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:25,839
oh yeah really cool jack interviews

1594
01:08:30,059 --> 01:08:27,370
coming out and they're not too distant

1595
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:30,069
future good he'll be promoting that so

1596
01:08:33,480 --> 01:08:32,170
I'll be able to pop that link up over

1597
01:08:35,940 --> 01:08:33,490
there that a lot that'll be really

1598
01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:35,950
interesting a lot of fun absolutely

1599
01:08:38,990 --> 01:08:37,480
all right you do have some direct

1600
01:08:43,410 --> 01:08:39,000
contact with Jack is that about right

1601
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:43,420
yes yeah has he gotten have you talked

1602
01:08:48,930 --> 01:08:45,970
in any detail any event his specific

1603
01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:48,940
ideas it's been talked about that he's

1604
01:08:54,660 --> 01:08:51,490
had some contact experiences himself did

1605
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:54,670
he just perspire his way to get to these

1606
01:09:02,430 --> 01:08:57,850
revelations or did he get a little bit

1607
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:02,440
of help he's that help do you have any

1608
01:09:10,349 --> 01:09:06,730
specifics on that or he is and also a

1609
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:10,359
lifelong experience ER and we've had a

1610
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:11,710
lot of discussions on kind of some of

1611
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,130
that stuff and if you read his book

1612
01:09:20,190 --> 01:09:17,040
[Music]

1613
01:09:23,550 --> 01:09:20,200
destiny matrix you'll hear about some of

1614
01:09:25,380 --> 01:09:23,560
his unusual phenomena and it will

1615
01:09:26,849 --> 01:09:25,390
actually go towards that artificial

1616
01:09:28,740 --> 01:09:26,859
intelligence that destroyed humanity I

1617
01:09:32,250 --> 01:09:28,750
was telling you about earlier we've had

1618
01:09:33,630 --> 01:09:32,260
that discussion numerous times he's had

1619
01:09:37,380 --> 01:09:33,640
some extraordinary experiences in his

1620
01:09:39,150 --> 01:09:37,390
life so his work like death fire yeah we

1621
01:09:40,559 --> 01:09:39,160
would definitely like to get him on it

1622
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:40,569
at some point in the future

1623
01:09:46,230 --> 01:09:43,600
we've only got between I James's

1624
01:09:48,270 --> 01:09:46,240
schedule my schedule we have time to do

1625
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:48,280
one a week and we could probably do two

1626
01:09:53,820 --> 01:09:50,890
or three and continue to have great

1627
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:53,830
shows every time out yeah I'm certain

1628
01:09:56,970 --> 01:09:54,970
and you guys really approach it with

1629
01:09:59,190 --> 01:09:56,980
integrity and you know I'll reach out to

1630
01:10:00,960 --> 01:09:59,200
him and let him know that you interested

1631
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:00,970
and I have a feeling right now he wants

1632
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:02,890
to get some information out so I think

1633
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:04,510
there's a good chance that you know

1634
01:10:07,979 --> 01:10:06,159
that'd be that that would be

1635
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:07,989
would be fantastic and obviously I know

1636
01:10:10,739 --> 01:10:09,610
he's out on the west coast he's still in

1637
01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:10,749
the Bay Area right

1638
01:10:15,330 --> 01:10:13,150
yeah he's traveling a lot right now he

1639
01:10:16,529 --> 01:10:15,340
just got back from England and and he's

1640
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:16,539
gonna be going to Albuquerque in just a

1641
01:10:19,739 --> 01:10:18,159
couple weeks and so he's travelling

1642
01:10:22,469 --> 01:10:19,749
around a lot but you know your ability

1643
01:10:24,810 --> 01:10:22,479
to do it all through the phone just

1644
01:10:27,029 --> 01:10:24,820
increases his the likelihood or you know

1645
01:10:29,370 --> 01:10:27,039
he'd be able to do it we can now we

1646
01:10:32,609 --> 01:10:29,380
could be flexible on time that's that's

1647
01:10:34,979 --> 01:10:32,619
not an issue we've done interviews with

1648
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:34,989
people in Australia and we had to do it

1649
01:10:39,839 --> 01:10:36,489
on a Wednesday morning that was the only

1650
01:10:42,270 --> 01:10:39,849
time we did it we got it in and that was

1651
01:10:44,669 --> 01:10:42,280
a great show so yeah we can we can be

1652
01:10:46,620 --> 01:10:44,679
flexible on that like you say data is

1653
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:46,630
the most important thing so we'll flex

1654
01:10:50,969 --> 01:10:49,090
to get the data no problem there great

1655
01:10:52,979 --> 01:10:50,979
great well I will definitely reach out

1656
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:52,989
to him when we're done with this I'll

1657
01:10:56,270 --> 01:10:54,610
send him an email yeah yeah we

1658
01:10:59,370 --> 01:10:56,280
definitely like to have a mod he was

1659
01:11:02,189 --> 01:10:59,380
nice enough to comment on one of my blog

1660
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,199
articles I guess he got word that it

1661
01:11:07,409 --> 01:11:04,719
came out I I think I know how he got it

1662
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:07,419
but literally within a couple hours of

1663
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:10,510
that little blog post I did on the alien

1664
01:11:15,659 --> 01:11:13,209
metamaterials we had a little quick and

1665
01:11:17,459 --> 01:11:15,669
dirty AMA at my facebook group with a

1666
01:11:21,299 --> 01:11:17,469
Gary Nolan where he was talking about a

1667
01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:21,309
little bit and Jack was right there with

1668
01:11:27,149 --> 01:11:25,150
the comments within literally two hours

1669
01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:27,159
so he's networked pretty good too so

1670
01:11:31,580 --> 01:11:29,289
okay he knows all the players he knows

1671
01:11:38,839 --> 01:11:31,590
where a lot of the bodies are buried and

1672
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:38,849
he's he's a real free uncage able mind

1673
01:11:42,899 --> 01:11:41,110
he's the kind that the government can

1674
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:42,909
put them him in a program because he's

1675
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:45,010
not gonna be a government stooge you

1676
01:11:49,589 --> 01:11:48,010
know he's not going to do that he puts

1677
01:11:52,290 --> 01:11:49,599
all his stuff out for the people he's

1678
01:11:53,549 --> 01:11:52,300
you know he's he's much more than people

1679
01:11:54,689 --> 01:11:53,559
give him credit for you know a lot of

1680
01:11:56,699 --> 01:11:54,699
people think of all sorts of weird

1681
01:11:58,679 --> 01:11:56,709
conspiracies about him and that's not in

1682
01:11:59,759 --> 01:11:58,689
the other but he's just a powerful

1683
01:12:00,810 --> 01:11:59,769
intellect and he wants to share this

1684
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:00,820
information and he wants to elevate

1685
01:12:08,429 --> 01:12:05,679
humanity and he's had some driving

1686
01:12:10,679 --> 01:12:08,439
experiences so uh and yeah your buddy

1687
01:12:12,509 --> 01:12:10,689
your buddy Dan Smith knows him pretty

1688
01:12:13,919 --> 01:12:12,519
well too because there are some Facebook

1689
01:12:15,330 --> 01:12:13,929
interviews well it's not really much of

1690
01:12:17,790 --> 01:12:15,340
an interview it's just basically Dan

1691
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:17,800
sitting there and Dan can talk a little

1692
01:12:23,490 --> 01:12:19,120
bitterness out but it

1693
01:12:25,530 --> 01:12:23,500
pretty much just dr. Safari going just

1694
01:12:27,450 --> 01:12:25,540
on a roll basically and the answers

1695
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:27,460
pretty much sitting back and taking it

1696
01:12:29,940 --> 01:12:28,000
all in

1697
01:12:34,370 --> 01:12:29,950
yeah but Dan also don't underestimate

1698
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:34,380
Dan Dan's not I'm not pretty you know he

1699
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:37,810
for 26 years he's been very good buddies

1700
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:41,290
with the head of the CIA's weird desk

1701
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:44,400
and his unofficial

1702
01:12:52,530 --> 01:12:48,490
official mouthpiece for information

1703
01:12:55,170 --> 01:12:52,540
slash and disinformation for 25 years so

1704
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:55,180
Dan's got some very deep connections as

1705
01:12:59,640 --> 01:12:58,210
well and it's a really good guy he's

1706
01:13:03,180 --> 01:12:59,650
very approachable to anyone can go to

1707
01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:03,190
his forum and reach out to him and but

1708
01:13:05,670 --> 01:13:04,150
if you're gonna reach out to him you

1709
01:13:07,950 --> 01:13:05,680
better bring a memo pad and a pen

1710
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:07,960
because he's a fierce intellect and

1711
01:13:11,850 --> 01:13:10,330
you're gonna be researching and writing

1712
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:11,860
down words you've never heard of before

1713
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:15,730
and you know he's an extraordinary guy

1714
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:18,850
as well - but jacking him with those but

1715
01:13:21,780 --> 01:13:20,410
that you can imagine those two brains

1716
01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:21,790
coming together it's really interesting

1717
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:22,990
there's a few videos of them out there

1718
01:13:27,630 --> 01:13:25,690
talking and you get that spiritual side

1719
01:13:30,570 --> 01:13:27,640
from Dan and also the science side from

1720
01:13:31,530 --> 01:13:30,580
Dan but the same thing from Jack but

1721
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:31,540
from two different places it's really

1722
01:13:35,850 --> 01:13:34,210
fascinating well I do you have anything

1723
01:13:38,250 --> 01:13:35,860
else for us anything that we can touch

1724
01:13:40,740 --> 01:13:38,260
on you want to get out there um no just

1725
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:40,750
that I would you know hope that people

1726
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:44,110
would see the value and the fact that

1727
01:13:50,910 --> 01:13:46,570
right now our planet isn't a massive bio

1728
01:13:52,890 --> 01:13:50,920
extinction the dominoes are standing and

1729
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:52,900
there's a potential that these dominoes

1730
01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:55,570
could fall all in a row of catastrophic

1731
01:13:58,770 --> 01:13:57,730
events we're at a very pivotal time in

1732
01:14:03,930 --> 01:13:58,780
human history

1733
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:03,940
and that disclosure of advanced

1734
01:14:08,970 --> 01:14:05,770
civilizations and other life forms in

1735
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:08,980
this universe is a transformative topic

1736
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:12,370
and human nature needs a shock to change

1737
01:14:17,130 --> 01:14:14,530
human nature is such where we only

1738
01:14:19,770 --> 01:14:17,140
change through either our pain great

1739
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:19,780
pain and suffering or shock and we don't

1740
01:14:23,790 --> 01:14:20,710
want to go through the pain and

1741
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:23,800
suffering of a greater mass extinction

1742
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:26,410
and we want to go through the shock of

1743
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:28,210
realizing that there's extraterrestrials

1744
01:14:31,610 --> 01:14:30,130
and do some self-reflection as a species

1745
01:14:35,060 --> 01:14:31,620
and and

1746
01:14:37,070 --> 01:14:35,070
prove our ways so we will be allowed to

1747
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:37,080
go planet to planet in the universe

1748
01:14:40,610 --> 01:14:38,850
right now we can't go planet to planet

1749
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:40,620
trashing this planet and be allowed to

1750
01:14:43,820 --> 01:14:42,000
go to the next one we won't be allowed

1751
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:43,830
to do that we'll go through great great

1752
01:14:47,780 --> 01:14:45,510
suffering before would be allowed to do

1753
01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:47,790
that we'll have to transform one way or

1754
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:50,280
another as a species if you look at the

1755
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:51,810
numbers you know our population growth

1756
01:14:58,460 --> 01:14:54,810
versus the resources and the people in

1757
01:15:01,520 --> 01:14:58,470
the know know what's coming and the

1758
01:15:03,170 --> 01:15:01,530
people sends it to but disclosure I

1759
01:15:05,450 --> 01:15:03,180
think is one of the big keys to a better

1760
01:15:06,710 --> 01:15:05,460
future for Humanity so I just request

1761
01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:06,720
and I hope that everyone would see the

1762
01:15:11,150 --> 01:15:09,450
value and in that and to be a part of

1763
01:15:17,020 --> 01:15:11,160
disclosure and whatever way they can

1764
01:15:21,050 --> 01:15:17,030
to join a ce-5 group to support a

1765
01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:21,060
open-source disclosure movement to get

1766
01:15:27,710 --> 01:15:25,110
involved to join cost at East eat let's

1767
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:27,720
talk out of the west coast or to join if

1768
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:30,570
you're in South Africa c5 Academy down

1769
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:33,360
there or if you if our project speaks to

1770
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:35,850
you you know email us at alien protocols

1771
01:15:41,630 --> 01:15:38,730
at gmail.com and get involved and anyone

1772
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:41,640
can get involved from anywhere and you

1773
01:15:44,570 --> 01:15:43,050
know we can one person can make a

1774
01:15:46,850 --> 01:15:44,580
difference and a group of people can

1775
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:46,860
make a big difference and you know I

1776
01:15:50,210 --> 01:15:48,570
just ask that if you care about the

1777
01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:50,220
future you care about whether your kids

1778
01:15:54,890 --> 01:15:53,490
get to see rare species that are

1779
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:54,900
dropping off the face of the earth every

1780
01:15:59,390 --> 01:15:57,120
day there's an adorable tiny little

1781
01:16:01,130 --> 01:15:59,400
dolphin called the vaquita and it's the

1782
01:16:03,860 --> 01:16:01,140
cutest little dolphin you've ever seen

1783
01:16:05,090 --> 01:16:03,870
it's a miniature little tiny dolphin

1784
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:05,100
that just lives off the coast of

1785
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:07,050
California I mean you do the research on

1786
01:16:11,060 --> 01:16:08,970
it your hearts gonna be crushed there's

1787
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:11,070
only like 40 of these little dolphins

1788
01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:13,290
left and they're gonna be extinct soon

1789
01:16:17,420 --> 01:16:15,510
and other animals on this planet and

1790
01:16:19,550 --> 01:16:17,430
that is a crime of the highest order

1791
01:16:21,230 --> 01:16:19,560
life is if the most precious thing in

1792
01:16:23,540 --> 01:16:21,240
the universe pound for pound is not gold

1793
01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:23,550
or diamonds if it's life then the

1794
01:16:29,210 --> 01:16:25,260
extinction of a species is such a

1795
01:16:31,580 --> 01:16:29,220
horrible crime almost that we should

1796
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:31,590
care more about that and there's so many

1797
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:33,330
of the extinctions happening now that we

1798
01:16:36,410 --> 01:16:34,770
just you know hope that people would

1799
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:36,420
reflect and care about others more than

1800
01:16:40,370 --> 01:16:38,370
themselves care about this planet more

1801
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:40,380
than themselves and to get involved be

1802
01:16:45,049 --> 01:16:43,170
part of the positive change that's

1803
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,059
that's basically it

1804
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:47,760
all right Oh mr. AP I sure do appreciate

1805
01:16:55,310 --> 01:16:50,010
you coming on with this I had a lot of

1806
01:16:57,890 --> 01:16:55,320
fun talking to you obviously when you

1807
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:57,900
get some more data some more things some

1808
01:17:02,120 --> 01:16:59,760
more actionable information we'd love to

1809
01:17:03,260 --> 01:17:02,130
have you back a pleasure thank you guys

1810
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:03,270
so much for your time really appreciate

1811
01:17:07,399 --> 01:17:05,130
it and thanks for approaching this topic

1812
01:17:08,959 --> 01:17:07,409
for such integrity no problem that's

1813
01:17:09,620 --> 01:17:08,969
what we're here for you have a great day

1814
01:17:11,569 --> 01:17:09,630
sir

1815
01:17:14,689 --> 01:17:11,579
thank you guys take care now we'll be

1816
01:17:16,459 --> 01:17:14,699
back next week probably Father's Day may

1817
01:17:19,939 --> 01:17:16,469
or may not have the show on Father's Day

1818
01:17:21,709 --> 01:17:19,949
itself but we'll be back we've got dr.

1819
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:21,719
Lynn khatai coming up by later on this

1820
01:17:25,790 --> 01:17:24,210
month and we'll have some honor we'll